Daysailor Wood Coamings

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Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby phsailor » Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:49 pm

Hi Just bought a Spindrift Day sailor. I believe it is a copy of a O'day DS 1. The boat has a removable wood floor. I noticed that there are no wood side or back panels on the boat. Instead someone added padding as a back rest. When I sit on the rails it seems like there is some flex. I have found no soft spots. The tap test is good. Could it be that this boat is missing the side wood panels? Are the wood panels needed to stiffen the rails? Do you generally sail this boat while sitting on the seats or on the rails? Can you sit on the rails when the wood side pieces are present? Does anyone have the specs for the wood coamings on the gunwall (width, thickness)?

Thanks for the help. Eric
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby GreenLake » Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:21 pm

The wood coamings are needed for structural support. You could replace them, or add your own supports under the deck, if it's accessible. The coamings are not a simple shape, they are about 1/4" (don't have the exact figure) in thickness and between about 4-5" and 9" tall, taller in front. Perhaps someone here has a pattern.

I've always been able to sit on the deck with coamings installed, but I don't tend to try to hike in the standard position. Always managed to get a perch though, others had to trim their coamings flush (or lower them). I do have some foam blocks to sit on, which I use occasionally, but I can manage fine without.

If you read older posts here, you might find more answers. Happy hunting.
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby jeadstx » Tue Jan 21, 2014 4:22 pm

Would Cape Cod Shipbuilding have the patterns since they are the current makers of the Day Sailor? Perhaps Rudy at D&R Marine might have patterns, I know he has just about everything else for the Day Sailer.

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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby seandwyer » Wed Jan 22, 2014 1:02 am

I haven't looked, but it seems like there would probably be some plans or even a file that could be downloaded on the site somewhere. I know there is such information for floorboards and that's a much more complicated endeavor.

If something is still needed a few weeks from now, I can try to do some tracing and measuring of mine at both ends, then just assume the meeting point of both widths based on the length. For replacements, you could just copy the profile of the forward end of the boards and then keep them a constant width flush with the rail all the way to the transom--then there'd be no temptation to cut them down in the future. Like Greenlake, leaving them full size has never bothered me, even when hiking, but a lot of folks to complain.
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby K.C. Walker » Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:27 am

Welcome to the forum Eric,

The Spindrift boats are not just copies but are legitimate and class sanctioned DaySailer 1's. Though, they do differ from the originals in the interior layout. One thing in particular that is noticeable is the coaming and seat tanks. The original coaming's on those boats were about 2 inches wide and flush with the deck. I doubt they had much structural purpose. The side decks should be firm, so you're going to have to investigate how to remedy that. I'm not familiar enough with the construction of those boats but I think if you dig there will be information on this site. I don't know how many of those boats were made, but it's not going to be anywhere near what the originals were.

Anybody who races DaySailer 1's cuts the coaming flush with the deck for more comfortable hiking. To me it makes a huge difference. Spindrift apparently realized this from the get-go. Install hiking straps and you can have a lot of fun sitting out, that's where I like to spend most of my time sailing this boat. If I had to estimate, I would guess 80% of the time I sit on the side deck. So, that's where I put my cushioning. Image
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby GreenLake » Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:42 am

K.C.: do you happen to have an image that shows the front end of your side coamings. On my original DS I that's where the pattern is most interesting, as it changes from being a simple strip. If the spindrift uses constant width coamings all the way to the front that would address the poster's issue about how to replace them.

(Even if not as structural as in the O'Day built DS1s, there might be an optical appeal to restore them, it's up to phsailor of course).
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby K.C. Walker » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:08 am

Green Lake,

I don't have photos of the front attachment and profile for my coamings. Because I moved mine down I had to splice on extra wood at the top for the attachment at the front. A little googling revealed photos of how the Spindrift's are done which is much simpler.

http://photos.mostsailboats.org/1984-Sp ... 0831_1.jpg
http://forum.daysailer.org/forum/gallery/ ... er_id=1996
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby GreenLake » Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:21 am

This is indeed much simpler than the shape on the original DS1
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The only tricky one on your model seems to be the transom, which follows a curve, but it should be possible to transfer that off the boat to get the pattern.
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby jeadstx » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:44 pm

It's possible that the coamings on the O'Day DS1 is the same as those used on the O'Day Rhodes 19. If so, then Stuart Marine would have the coamings. http://www.stuartmarine.com/wood-1959-8 ... board-set/ Stuart also sells used coamings that can be refurbished. http://www.stuartmarine.com/used-parts/ There are peices of wood for sale there too. The R19 also had the rear decking in the transom.

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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby jeadstx » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:46 pm

I have a Rhodes 19 so I can measure the coamings to see how they compare to the DS1 if anyone is interested.

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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby GreenLake » Wed Jan 22, 2014 3:47 pm

John, as I know you have both, are the cockpits really the same dimensions on both?
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby seandwyer » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:23 pm

I agree--I'd like to hear about these boats, too.

As for the coamings--if you are just going to go with the straight flush mounted strips, I'd say the hardest part of the whole project will just be finding solid 1/4" wood that you find to be attractive.

I kind of like the look of the shelves beneath the cuddy on that Spindrift. It's all different from the standard O'Day.
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby seandwyer » Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:27 pm

Actually, if you aren't necessarily into the wood-look, could you just use 1/4" strips of marine grade plywood, wrapped in glass and painted to match the standard white?

Just an idea. Can anyone think of why this would be a bad idea?
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby GreenLake » Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:56 pm

There are other materials that are durable and waterproof - if you can get them in the required lengths, though, I don't know.
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Re: Daysailor Wood Coamings

Postby kokko » Thu Jan 23, 2014 7:02 pm

After a tragic mishap I had to replace mine. I found mahogany at an exotic wood lumberyard and had it planed to 1/2 inch.. I was able to use the old boards as templates
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