Stringers and Vacuum bagging

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Stringers and Vacuum bagging

Postby Bob Perkins » Sun May 15, 2011 9:02 am

**** Updated links by request - I moved the site around a bit ****

Hi Everyone,

By Popular request - Here is how I replaced my stringers using Vacuum.

Vacuum bagging is not nearly as complicated as it seems on the surface. You really need to decide if you want to go through the expense of getting a (real) vacuum pump. Many will say you can use a vacuum cleaner. However, they are not designed to run for 12 hours and they want air to pass over the motor for cooling in most designs. I am not a fan of that method and I do not think you will get good results.

How does it work?

Standard air pressure is ~14psi at sea level. If you were to vacuum one square foot of material - you would get ~2000 pounds of clamping pressure. (144 square inches * 14 psi). The best part is - the clamp is shaped exactly like the item you are clamping since the clamp is made of air..

The *bagging* comes in when you encapsulate in plastic the item to be clamped and remove the air (i.e. create vacuum) - the outside air is pushing at 14 psi to fill the void. Hopefully this makes sense...

So - to replace a stringer.. (unfortunately - this forum as older software and these do not render.. so links it is...)

First we had to grind out the old ones and the tabbing.

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Layout the replacement
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Draw layout lines and be sure you have clean hull for the tabbing
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Tack down with 5 min epoxy or something. You just don't want them sliding around..
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Using poly sheeting, duct tape a length in place with extra plastic so you can make pleats (you will see why..)
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Next - a layer of 100% polyester fabric (peelply)
Epoxy will not stick to this stuff - and the excess squeezes through. What you end up with is a high resin to glass ratio and a perfectly smooth surface. It peels off like Velcro once the resin is hard...
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Breather fabric (i.e. quilt batting) This allows the air a path out of the bag. Otherwise air pockets could develop and there would be no clamping pressure in those areas. It also helps soak up excess epoxy.
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Fold back and ready for tape
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We precut to length 6" glass tape, then roll and fold in epoxy in a paint tray.
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Roll each layer in place
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We missed a picture of tucking in the fabric, but you want to get it into the corners so that there are no *bridges* as best you can. It will bubble on the top a bit, but the vacuum should take care of that for you.
The lay the parting fabric smoothly over the glass, and then the breather. You never want the breather to touch the epoxy directly.. Just because it makes a mess and gets glued down..

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Tape everything in..
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Use some clay weather stripping material to plug leaks.

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Here is what it looks like fully clamped
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You should have plenty of pleats so there is plastic to get into all the corners etc. If it is tight like a drum w/o pleats.. then you are likely bridging the area where the core meets the hull.. and there is no clamping going on there.. the bag is loosely fit when going on..

You can see here I'm pulling up on a pleat - pretty firmly - it barely budges... this means that I have strong clamping pressure holding everything in place.
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Many questions I get are about the pump. The measurement I care about is CFM (Cubic feet per minute). This is how many CFM will it pull to maintain vacuum.

Why is it important?

A vacuum pump needs to pull air out faster than it leaks in... just like a bilge pump on a boat. If I have a 1" hole in a boat, but a bilge pump that can pump water out faster than it leaks in... I float! Same here.. If your vacuum pump can't pump the air out faster than it leaks in.. then you will never get a good clamp. So bigger is better in terms of CFM.

That said - this project is pretty simple and a small pump will work fine IMHO. As long as you seal up all the leaks you can hear.

I'm sure I missed some details - I'll post the completed pics later today.
Last edited by Bob Perkins on Sat Jun 15, 2013 10:07 am, edited 3 times in total.
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Postby GreenLake » Sun May 15, 2011 6:57 pm

Thanks, Bob. These are very nice instructions. Great photos, too. Can you suggest a source for a vacuum pump? Do people rent these?
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Postby Bob Perkins » Sun May 15, 2011 9:23 pm

Hi

I got mine on eBay. Not sure about rentals.. There is quite a bit written on that topic too.. I had a large project which made it worth while. I'm not sure I would have bothered for just stringers...
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Postby kkearns » Mon May 16, 2011 10:48 pm

Greatly appreciated, Bob. These are wonderful instructions. You took a lot of time to do this, and we all appreciate it very much.

By the way, welcome to the DS community. I've owned a number of sailboats in my life and have enjoyed each of them for their own qualities. I will say, however, that the DaySailer is perhaps the sweetest sailing boat I've owned. I hope that when you get yours on the water you will enjoy it as much as I have enjoyed mine.

Best regards and good luck with the remainder of the restoration.

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