Spinnaker deck hardware

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Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby klb67 » Mon May 09, 2016 10:55 am

I'm getting the last few bits to finally fly a spinnaker on my DS II this year. I'm down to how to handle and cleat the spinnaker halyard and lift/control line for the spinnaker pole. I'll reference Harken options for simplicity but will consider other brands - is there any preference to using a Harken No. 096 upright lead bullet block mounted to the cuddy roof on each side of the mast, with lines back to No. 468 cam cleats on the cuddy lip, vs. a harken stand up block No. 349 (or similar bullet classic on an eye) on the cuddy roof, again back to No. 468 cam cleats? Other options? I have factory cheek blocks on each side of the mast back to horn cleats for the main and jib halyards. I've considered sourcing the older Harken 140 pivoting blocks for the main and jib, but haven't done that yet.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby DigitalMechanic » Mon May 09, 2016 2:13 pm

Not sure about the spinnaker setup, as I have not made it that far. I am still trying to master sailing main/jib.

But, I am using these for the main and jib halyards (1/4" rope)....

http://www.harken.com/productdetail.aspx?id=39803&taxid=417

The max safe load is the same as the 140, but the part is less expensive. I think I picked them up on Defender.com for $59 each http://www.defender.com/product3.jsp?path=-1%7C118%7C2358452%7C2358475&id=2394008
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby GreenLake » Mon May 09, 2016 4:11 pm

My setup. (I have better pictures, just need to locate them).
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This shows how I cleat the halyard (yellow). The downhaul is cleated on the opposite side.
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This shows one of the deck mounted fairleads (black ring on gray plate). Could have been on the mast (if mine wasn't covered by my mast-raising sleeve there).

If I need to cleat a sheet, I run it over the horn cleat and cleat it off in the black cleat (the inhauls aren't needed under spinnaker). Alternative would be to run the sheets on the side deck to cleat there (which would necessitate a hole in the coamings or pedestals, for a DSII one could just mount on the coming.

Turning blocks for the sheets in the rear are micro blocks (tied to the cleats - still haven't replaced them with any more permanent solution).

All cleats shown have been fine for the loads I've put on them.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby GreenLake » Mon May 09, 2016 5:13 pm

More pictures
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Spinnaker pole details

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My "temporary" solution for spinnaker sheet blocks.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby klb67 » Mon May 09, 2016 6:22 pm

Greenlake - Thanks for posting. Unfortunately, I'm logged in but I get a you are not authorized to view this image message on my laptop and on my phone. The pics didn't work on my wife's iphone either. I get that error on other posts too - not just yours.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby jeadstx » Tue May 10, 2016 2:42 am

I've installed spinnaker hardware on my DS II (and I think I've got it right), but haven't tried to raise the spinnaker yet. I'm pretty sure I've got the pole setup right. I need to get pictures of all the hardware.

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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby klb67 » Tue May 10, 2016 9:09 am

Thanks Greenlake for telling me how to fix the pic issue. "Delete all board cookies" at the bottom of the page fixed it.

I'd love to see your setup John. I have several DS's near me, but none are set up with spinnaker hardware.

My local club did an on-shore how to fly a spinnaker lesson on a Flying Scot, with the boat on a trailer hitched to a car, and in a light breeze. They talked through the how-to, and then showed us. Several in the group around the boat said, "can you do it again?" and they did. It was a good lesson.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby klb67 » Tue May 10, 2016 10:14 am

John - I just noticed your picture of your DS I forward boom support - that seems to show cuddy roof mounted blocks and cam cleats for spinnaker control, correct? Do you like that set up?
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby jeadstx » Wed May 11, 2016 2:48 am

That is an older picture of my DS II before I added spinnaker lines and controls. I think what you are seeing is part of my reefing system. My DS II is setup for two reefs for cruising the windy Texas coast. The reefing lines were modified recently with the addition of a reefing hook and the two roof mounted blocks are not used anymore.

I haven't yet taken pictures of the spinnaker hardware that has been installed on the cuddy roof. I want to make sure it all works first before I comment on it.

As for my Day Sailer I which I got recently, nothing has been done to it yet. Still getting paperwork straightened out with Tx Parks & Wildlife.

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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby klb67 » Wed May 11, 2016 9:02 am

John,

You and I are not talking about the same picture. I was talking about the one below from your DS I album - is that spinnaker hardware?

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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby Shagbark » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:26 am

Klb67,

In that photo, it looks like reefing hardware on John's deck.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby MookaCB » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:50 pm

I use Harken micro blocks attached to the deck with an eye strap at the base of the mast. These blocks turn the halyard, topping lift, and foreguy lines towards the cuddy top where they can all be cleated.

I haven't had any problems with this set up and it was the cheapest option (found some "used" ones that looked new). I haven't had much need for the foreguy, but I like knowing it is there if I need it.

Also, all of the lines that pull things "up" are on the right and "down" lines are on the left.

I have also installed these clam cleats just aft of my shrouds to cleat the sheet/guy from the forward crew position. They help a lot with control and work great.
https://www.westcoastsailing.net/defaul ... 91064.html

It may be more complicated than it needs to be, but it has worked great for me. I raced all last summer with this set up and as long as I kept the sail from tangling, I was golden.
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby MookaCB » Fri Dec 23, 2016 1:56 pm

Almost forgot...

Once you settle on your setup, these labels are worth their weight in gold!

http://www.westmarine.com/buy/west-mari ... --11508405
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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby jeadstx » Sat Dec 24, 2016 4:50 am

The picture shown earlier in this post of my cuddy cabin roof shows two deck blocks. These were part of my reefing system. My reefing system has since been updated. Attached is a picture of the cuddy cabin top of my DS II with labels showing hardware, although this was updated and modified after the first race I sailed with a spinnaker in October to get ready for the Wurstfest Regatta in November. The modifications were an improvement.

In the picture I have a double deck block for handling the pole topping lift and the pole down haul lines. The block was causing problems and not as flexible as I wanted, it was replaced with a fair lead, one for each line. Originally I cleated the spinnaker halyard to the horn cleat, but added a dedicated cam cleat with fair lead forward of the horn cleat. Much easier to use for me.

I am currently setting up my DS I with a setup similar to the DS II. The one thing I'm changing is the clam cleats for the pole topping lift and downhaul lines. The ones used on the DS II have the built in fairlead. We found that when releasing the lines the fairleads tend to cause the line to slip back into the clam cleat. On the DS I, clam cleats will also be used with a separate fair lead to provide more spacing to allow better line release. This modification will be done to the DS II as well.

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Re: Spinnaker deck hardware

Postby GreenLake » Sun Dec 25, 2016 7:21 pm

Nice picture.

I don't bother with a separate control for pole topping lift, using a fixed rope with a section of doubled 1/4" bungee cord. As a result, there's a constant pull on the pole, strong enough to more than counteract the weight of the pole, sheet and sail. With that, I only need to adjust a single line (downhaul) to set the height of the pole. (Any force from the sail, other than weight, is likely to attempt to lift the pole).

I also tie topping lift and downhaul together to a single shackle, so I can attach both in one motion (to a single fitting on the middle of the pole). When not in use, the shackle is clipped to the mast ring (under just a bit of tension), and I snug down the downhaul as well.

I don't use fairleads for the cleats, but place them on the aft-facing lip of the cuddy opening, so that the 90 degree bend assists in cleating the lines (halyard and downhaul) but unlike a ring on the cleat, it won't "re-capture" them when I throw them off.
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