What Daysailer did I just snag?

[gunnerasch]

https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422822 ... 2602/Oday#

If anyone has any info on this boat...please let me know or comment on the photos.

Thanks!


Gunner

[ChrisB]

Based on the sail number, it looks like you have an early 1971 or 1972 DS II manufactured by the O'Day Company. The white dot centered on the transom is probably an old bilge drain that was moved to the new location. On my DS II, the centerboard is held in by two wedge blocks screwed into the hull from the bottom of the hull. Other DS II's have a bilge bolt that holds the CB in place. The bolt is accessible via the ports on either side of forward end of the CB trunk.

[jeadstx]

Looks to be an early DSII. Centerboard should have a pivot bolt instead of plates like ChrisB's later DSII. The best source of parts is D&R Marine. Day Sailers are still in production by Cape Cod Shipbuilders so they have parsers also (they build a DSI).

John

[TIM WEBB]

Yup - definitely DS2. Question: there is the ID plate in the pictures, but can't tell if there's a stamped ID on the transom? If I understand the history correctly, '72 was the 1st "tramp-stamp" year, so this is a '71?

Lots of other things going on here. I see lots of pieces/parts disassembled and laying around various places in the boat, especially hardware. If you are not familiar w/ the boat, it may not be apparent where these things go. A lot of it will be obvious once you start putting her back together, but a lot might not be. Suggest you do a lot of looking around on the galleries on this forum, as well as what D&R has. Good luck!

[gunnerasch]

Thanks guys. I was thinking based on my first attempts at finding data that she is a 70 or 71 model. Sound enough..but missing a lot of the goodies. I have taken up the hobby/penance of restoring sailboats for past sins (Grin) and she is simple enough. But I wasnt finding a lot of data out there on the specifics..nor very many photos of what she is Supposed to look like. I make it to Minnies Marine Surplus down in So. Cal regularly..so can find a lot of the bits and pieces for cheap..but finding out what its supposed to look like...is the problem.
I suppose I could put a trapeze on it and......laugh...

I tend to be a really cheap fella and buy/swap for good used parts and pieces..so if anyone knows of a donor boat out there somewhere that has things like mast spreaders and a jib and mainsheet blocks and camcleat and.....sigh...let me know..Please!!

A boat that I just finished a couple months ago
https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422822 ... Ensenada20

My current project
https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422822 ... /Venture24

A couple other fixeruppers Ive done since November
https://picasaweb.google.com/104042282269066802602/FJ1
https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422822 ... 2602/FJ202

And a free boat Id offer to anyone who wants it...
https://picasaweb.google.com/1040422822 ... nsenada202
(it spent the last 30 yrs under a tree in So Cal..needs a power washing really..really bad..along with a mast)
Thanks for any help yall can give me.

I might mention that Im the driving force behind two yahoo groups you may wish to join...

https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/freesailboats/info
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/sailboatstuff/info
Much obliged!
Gunner

[K.C. Walker]

Gunner,

You are a dangerous man!!! I don't know what sins you are talking about, but temptation is definitely in there. Just as a hoot I followed your link to the Yahoo groups that might be interesting to join. The free or nearly free sailboat forum has to be an incredibly dangerous place and you are the spearhead! The very second posting is from craigslist in my neighborhood. I was in North Kingstown Rhode Island Sunday. That Catalina 27 Looks Way too good to be $1000. I may have to put a boot on my van wheel so I don't go over there and look at it.…

[jeadstx]

Noticed in one of your pictures that the ice box cover is missing. D&R Marine has those also.

John

[TIM WEBB]

John, I think that's the cover on the seat in the foreground in that pic, plus it's in place over the icebox in another. Hey, I just saved Gunner $179! ;-P

[jeadstx]

Your right Tim, don't know what I was looking at.

John

[JML Avalon]

Gunner,

Our boats are practically twins! I have sail number 4854, I actually did a double-take when I saw your 4845. I don't have much to offer as to advice, I mostly just lurk around here reading up on projects that I'll never get around to. I've done very little to upgrade or improve my gal, sadly. I'm just happy to have time to get her out on the water during our short season up here in Vermont.

Good luck with her!
-Jeff

[gunnerasch]

Thank you gentlemen for your kind words.

Im in the process of rebuilding the mast at the moment, turned new pully wheels out of delrin for the mast head and the downhauls and have them installed..but Im at a bit of a quandry about the spreaders. I didnt have any 1/2" aluminum rod stock, so I made (2) of them out of 3/8 bar stock, 1 1/8 wide. According to the D&R webside..they are supposed to be 21 1/4" long...and here is my problem...are they fixed to the mast..or do they swing a bit in the spreader attachments?
Ive seen boats go both ways. I can pull them out away from the mast 1/2" and if I drill the holes..they will swing forwards. If I keep the (tapered) butts against the mast..and drill the holes..they are fixed in place. What are they supposed to do?

Gunner, who has most of the bits and pieces now except for chainplates to attach the shrouds to...and bow hardware for the forestay..and he will be tigging up that stuff this coming week unless someone has a donor boat to buy pieces off of.

[gunnerasch]

Oh..forgot to ask...lines.

Are the uphauls for the main and the jib supposed to be 3/8" or 5/16"??

Ill be making another trip down to Minnies later this week (I repair machinery in machine shops and have clients in the area) and will be needing to obtain line for everything on the boat. I snagged 150' of black dacron last trip down there..but its 3/8" and seems a bit snug running through the mast head. But its new..shrug. ($3.50 a pound for rope..bought 11lbs of various ropes including some Kevlar for one of the other boats and bits to make a boom vang etc etc...cost me $22.50 out the door...Crom but I love being a regular customer in there GRIN!!)

Gunner

[K.C. Walker]

Gunnar,

¼ inch low stretch line is pretty common for the halyards. What originally came on the boats is a wire/Dacron halyard. The rigging measurements that are original for the boat can be found here http://forum.daysailer.org/tech_rigmeas.php .

[GreenLake]

... Im at a bit of a quandry about the spreaders. I didnt have any 1/2" aluminum rod stock, so I made (2) of them out of 3/8 bar stock, 1 1/8 wide. According to the D&R webside..they are supposed to be 21 1/4" long...and here is my problem...are they fixed to the mast..or do they swing a bit in the spreader attachments?
Ive seen boats go both ways. I can pull them out away from the mast 1/2" and if I drill the holes..they will swing forwards. If I keep the (tapered) butts against the mast..and drill the holes..they are fixed in place. What are they supposed to do?

The spreaders are supposed to be hollow. This high up on the mast, you really don't want any unnecessary weight (think long lever). Any extra pound up there will need several pounds of crew weight on the rail to balance it.

The spreaders on the DS are supposed to point slightly back, when in the correct position. This is necessary, because the DS does not have a back stay (and you will find that the chainplates are mounted aft of the mast).

Now, my spreaders are mounted in the old-style mounts, where they can swivel fore and aft, but there are other types of mounts where that motion is restricted (I don't have one of those, so I'm not 100% positive, but from the pictures I had formed the impression that these prevent the spreaders from swinging forward past a given point).

My spreader mounts allow a bit of movement up and down, so I can set my spreader tips so that they bisect the shallow angle formed by the shroud going over them (that amounts to the spreaders pointing up a few degrees). In that position, the entire force on the spreaders is lined up with their length (that is, compression only). The "high-strength" mounting brackets seem to force the spreaders to be horizontal, but they are strong enough to withstand whatever bending forces get transmitted based on the small misalignment of the spreaders from their optimal elevation.

In principle, I can see no reason why you couldn't mount fixed spreaders - as long as they are angled back at the correct angle. Allowing the spreaders to swing (even a bit) could be advantageous to compensate for some movement in the mast, as a gust hits, for example, but I can't tell you how necessary that would be. (You might look at pictures of spreader mounts to give you some idea). I store my mast with the sail-channel up (so the ring and jib/spinnaker blocks don't stick up). With the spreaders swinging, the spreaders hang down in either position and aren't in the way of a tarp.

[GreenLake]

¼ inch low stretch line is pretty common for the halyards. What originally came on the boats is a wire/Dacron halyard. The rigging measurements that are original for the boat can be found here http://forum.daysailer.org/tech_rigmeas.php .

The "low stretch" is the important point, otherwise each gust will stretch your halyards, lowering the head of your sail and ruining your nice flat sail shape.

As K.C. writes, with modern ropes, the 1/4" is the largest diameter you need, I've seen 15' dinghies that use 1/8" (or a metric size between that and 3/16"). As with the spreaders, weight from excessive rope up the mast is your enemy.

On my DS, I experimented with 3/16" Dyneema. It's not exactly cheap and a bit slippery to handle, so I decided to splice some cheaper rope at the end, so that the low-stretch portion is just between cleat and sail, and the cheap rope is only used for raising the sail, not for holding it. Don't know whether you enjoy splicing, but there are nice instructions on this site: http://L-36.com.